It looks like the lobbying of fundamentalist Christian loonies seeking to import whacko US bogus science has hit the reality rails. The government isn’t buying this crap and thank God for that. Science teaching is in collapse in the UK and Geeklawyer may well be one of the last generations taught science properly by people who care about it and understand.
The last thing that we needed in this country is for Miss FluffyBunny, the sociology teacher, to have to dilute her already limited time skills and interest into peddling idiotic crap from the US Bible Belt when it could be used to teach real physics.
Not to mention the galling effrontery of having religious propaganda peddled in schools. If there is a place for ID it is in religious education classes and set in a balanced context by relabelling it to its correct name: ‘Creationism’.
What gets me is they are simply re-peddling arguments that were around in the C19th with a new ID branded spin.
Bunch of miserable souls who cling to their petty god in an attempt to stem the all consuming despair that will claim them in the end.
“Bunch of miserable souls who cling to their petty god in an attempt to stem the all consuming despair that will claim them in the end.”
Think you went to the “whats it all for, we’re all going to die” school of bible bashing, you should have tried the “isn’t life beautiful, how can I make it better, thank god I am here to enjoy it” classes for happy people.
They don’t make the news quite so much as they are doing things, generally good or fun, for themselves and others. Happy in the fact they are doing good, they do not need the publicity of the bible bashing “you’ll all go to hell unless you give money to this church to save sinners”.
When there is an explanation of how either the matter or the energy existed before the big bang, for that theory to work, I will then reconsider my theistic belief.
Well ask GL about the physics…
“Thank god I am here to enjoy it” - why thank anyone, especially on the basis of no evidence?
“They don’t make the news quite so much as they are doing things, generally good or fun, for themselves and others. Happy in the fact they are doing good” - why do they need religion to do good? The answer, it seems, is that they only do good because it scores them points in the ‘afterlife’. Would it not be better to do good for purely altruistic reasons? If they do do good for altruistic reasons, then religion has nothing to do with it.
“When there is an explanation of how either the matter or the energy existed before the big bang, for that theory to work, I will then reconsider my theistic belief” - so just because science has not (yet) explained what happened before or caused the big bang (if indeed there was a ‘big bang’) the answer must be that god did it? Seems a pretty feeble argument to me, in the absence of any evidence for a ‘divine creator’. Who or what created the creator?
You can believe in a divine being without having to praise that being through a communal religious belief system.
You can be thankful for life and do good for others in society without thinking it will score points with the divine being for an afterlife upgrade.
When you can look into your own life and feel that those things you have done to help others have indeed been appreciated by those others or thier social group, then does it matter if the rest of the world does not know?
Peace of mind - knowing you did the correct thing at that time.
By yhe way, who or what did create the creator?
I do have a Christian belief, but I’ve never had a problem reconcilling the Big Bang theory with my beliefs, and I can’t help thinking that Intelligent Design is a bit, well, medieval, and I’m inclined to agree with Geeklawyer that it should be restricted to the religious education class and kept out of the physics lab.
Having spent a bit of time in the States, I was rather startled at the level of unquestioning acceptance of information by the population outside of academic circles, which I can only put down to a certain style of education. Guess its easier to sell things to people who don’t ask too many questions: Coke, bottled tap water, wars etc etc.
Thank goodness that the British are a cynical lot. We seem to take it for granted that all politicians and advertisments lie but just resignedly accept this as the natural order of things, being disinclined to riot.
Yanks eh? They’ll be trying to tell us that the earth is flat next.
“Thank goodness that the British are a cynical lot. We seem to take it for granted that all politicians and advertisments lie but just resignedly accept this as the natural order of things, being disinclined to riot.”
1794 - English Anti-Recruitment Riots, (England)
1795 - English Food Riots, (England)
1811-1812 - English Luddite Riots, (Leicester/York, England)
1814 - English Luddite Riots of 1814, (Leicester/York, England)
1816 - English Luddite Riots of 1816, (Leicester/York, England)
skips a centuray or two
1979 - Southall Riots, (Southall, West London, England)
1981 - Brixton riot of 1981, (London, England)
1981 - Toxteth riots (Liverpool, England)
1981 - First Handsworth Riot, (Birmingham, England)
1985 - Brixton riot of 1985, Sept. 28, (London, England)
1985 - Second Handsworth Riot, Sept. 11, (Birmingham, England) 1985 - Broadwater Farm Riot, Oct. 6, (London, England)
1990 - Poll Tax Riots, (London)
1990 - Strangeways Riots, (London), April 1 - April 25
1995 - Brixton riot of 1995, (London, England)
1995 - Manningham Riot, June 1995, (Bradford, West Yorkshire, UK)
1999 - June 18th Anti-Capitalist Riot, June 1999 (London, UK)
2000 - Anti-Capitalist May Day Riots, May 2000 (London, UK)
2001 - Bradford Riot, July 2001, (Bradford, West Yorkshire, England)
2005 - Anti-G8 Riot, June 2005, (Edinburgh, Scotland, UK)
Yea we never riot in this country
Don’t you just hate a smartarse. I think perhaps what I meant to say is “revolt” we’re very bad at that.
Oh come now surley Blair’s PFI funding of the NHS & Education sectors is a revolution in public service provision…
Anyway I just say NO 2 ID.. (I’m such a wit)
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