Sledgehammer to crack a nutjob

Geeklawyer notes, via Out-Law, that McKinnon has persuaded the Administrative Court to certify to questions to the House of Lords: a) was the American coercion applied to him to get him to ‘voluntarily‘ yield to extradition to the US on pain of not being repatriated to the UK to serve part of his sentence here improper?

b) was the diplomatic note that he would not be bunged into Guantanamo worth a damn?

Readers may recall McKinnon was the nut job who hacked the Pentagon’s computers looking for evidence of UFOs lizardmen and other such tosh. But who the US claims did $700k worth of damage.

Claims of the cost of such damage are usually grossly exaggerated in the same manner as occurs when the *IAA claim that illegal music downloading causes billions in loss or when cops do a press release for the papers on a drugs bust and exaggerate the value to make themselves look good.

Geeklawyer has no idea on the second point. It would seem to balance on the power of executive discretion public international law (Martin?) and the view of Common Law on diplomatic promises. Pass.

On the first point however there is certainly an nasty and unpleasant abuse of power going on. It would seem unarguably right not to allow any decision based on such coercion to be used to his prejudice. Had he agreed to extradition and then resiled it would be unconscionable to hold him to the promise. But there was no such promise here so the argument, in effect, that “these are nasty men so they must not be allowed to take him” seems very weak.
The proper basis for taking prejudice from this conduct is a ‘fruit the poisoned tree’ doctrine variant: that the highest standards of probity require that those who choose such methods cannot be allowed what they wish where some connected behaviour falls below a certain standard; and even if the malevolent behaviour was not responsible for the result which would have otherwise been proper.

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Comment by Martin
2007-05-31 15:29:03

Is that “(Martin?)” aside directed at me?

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 15:36:07

Yup. Got a view? for once I won’t talk about something I’m not experienced in!

 
 
Comment by Martin
2007-05-31 15:47:54

Er, well my view would be no more competently-held than yours.

My research interest is, of course, private international law (or the conflict of laws). I know bugger all, aside from the mandatory course I studied at Law School, about PUBLIC international law.

I’m not actually sure whether we have a public international law blogger at the moment. I’ve heard on the grapevine, however, that a fairly prominent academic is in the process of putting one together…

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 15:56:25

Ah, OK - I was aware your interest was private not public international law I just assumed you were an International Law geek :smile:

 
 
Comment by Martin
2007-05-31 16:04:15

Goodness me, no; I know as much about public international as I do about tax law.

For future consultations, please note that my geekery extends to conflicts, maritime/carriage of goods, international sale and land/equity. The fee for the consultation will vary depending on how much I feel like charging.

 
Comment by Martin
2007-05-31 16:15:41

I will, however, redesign your blog for free, just so I don’t have to look at Kubrick anymore… :lol:

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 16:26:30

Oh no, let’s not start that one again!!

Comment by sqmlaw
2007-05-31 18:33:38

Oh yes, can we ALL complain about the use of Kubrick? It jars awfully with the word ‘geek’! ;)

 
 
Comment by Ruthie
2007-05-31 21:09:21

keep the pressure up Martin. I want “bus full of hippies” although the last time we tried to do an upgrade everything crashed and for one glorious moment only my posts were recoverable. Which is a reason to have another go.

Comment by Charon QC
2007-05-31 21:16:02

Absolutely…. Time for a new look… perhaps a black background and white writing?

 
Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 21:24:09

Ahem a little contributor loyalty would be nice here. Remember: there is no ‘me’ in team.

 
 
Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 21:25:35

I have Sandbox & I can do it myself as soon as finish thrashing Ruthie for disloyalty …

Comment by Charon QC
2007-05-31 21:30:31

Are you thinking of a videocast… ?

Comment by Ruthie
2007-05-31 23:09:49

excellent idea. i can get a paperbag and cut holes in for geeklawyer. He’s already bitching that I’ve got my pic in the gazette again this week (cheers Rupert, will send money xxx) but thats the price for anonymity…

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Comment by Charon QC
2007-05-31 19:36:22

Don’t know the difference between Private (conflicts) and Public Internal Law… ?

excellent.

Life is worth living again :-)

15 - Love to Martin….

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-06-01 11:08:10

I’m well aware of the distinctions between public & private law thank you very much :roll:

Comment by Charon QC
2007-06-01 13:10:27

I’ll get my coat!… again!

have a good weekend one and all…. I may not be logging this weekend…. but…. I may be.

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-06-01 14:51:47

If you do log this weekend remember to keep your lumberjack licence on you in case you’re raided by the lumberjack police :lol:

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Comment by Charon QC
2007-05-31 19:37:21

International that should have been…. (Not Internal) I am blogging from a bar…. mea culpa !

 
Comment by Charon QC
2007-05-31 19:38:42

In fact… I have just ordered un altra bottiglia…. Tonight, Matthew… I want to be a Chianti drinker…

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-05-31 21:42:08

If you really want to confuse them order mead.

 
 
Comment by Martin
2007-05-31 22:43:22

Just so you’re not out-of-date as soon as you’ve started, GL, please note that a new version of Sandbox has just been released: http://www.plaintxt.org/2007/05/29/sandbox-v09-released/

I’ve got the CSS file from legalscribbles.com still kicking around if you want to use that as your base template (easier than starting from scratch, which I didn’t do either). There are several Sandbox themes out there to hack apart.

@ruthie: I get the feeling that “bus full of hippies” is not GL’s cup of tea, as it is a bit girly. Although perhaps that’s not as much of a problem…. :smile:

Comment by Ruthie
2007-05-31 23:11:32

He’ll do what he is told. :twisted:

Comment by Geeklawyer
2007-06-01 11:10:43

Why do you persist in this self delusion of controlling me when I regularly crush you and never do what you want? Stupid co-blogger, you’re so stupid.

 
 
 
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