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		<title>By: GeekLawyer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Hunting new punters - a lateral thinker explains</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-17647</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekLawyer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Hunting new punters - a lateral thinker explains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or the senior end of the profession - are punters. It always strikes Geeklawyer, and he has said so before, as a bit weird that so many lawyers find this repellent. LegalWeek has an interesting article in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] or the senior end of the profession - are punters. It always strikes Geeklawyer, and he has said so before, as a bit weird that so many lawyers find this repellent. LegalWeek has an interesting article in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Geeklawyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3795</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeklawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes that I really do agree with. I knew lots of kids at school who did not have rich parents and felt terribly inferior because they didnt have the trendy clothes, the chopper bike even tough they were well off in absolute terms. They never were poorly regarded but they felt they were - and sadly they were ashamed of their slightly poorer parents. I agree, toys are fun only if interest in them is benign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that I really do agree with. I knew lots of kids at school who did not have rich parents and felt terribly inferior because they didnt have the trendy clothes, the chopper bike even tough they were well off in absolute terms. They never were poorly regarded but they felt they were - and sadly they were ashamed of their slightly poorer parents. I agree, toys are fun only if interest in them is benign.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the 60's...well since Geeklawyer lived through them, he is more qualified to comment than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the 60&#8217;s&#8230;well since Geeklawyer lived through them, he is more qualified to comment than I.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, toys are fun, but when self esteem gets tied up with possessions it gets scary and dangerous. Especially when children, whose self estemm can be fragile at the best of times, are cynically targetted as consumers, and made to feel inadequate if their parents cant afford the latest consumer toy.

Ruthie has been especially impressed by the baseball stars who, remembering their own impoverished childhoods have recently brought out cut price sneakers for 15 dollars. The verdict so far? Cant tell the difference from the 150 dollar ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, toys are fun, but when self esteem gets tied up with possessions it gets scary and dangerous. Especially when children, whose self estemm can be fragile at the best of times, are cynically targetted as consumers, and made to feel inadequate if their parents cant afford the latest consumer toy.</p>
<p>Ruthie has been especially impressed by the baseball stars who, remembering their own impoverished childhoods have recently brought out cut price sneakers for 15 dollars. The verdict so far? Cant tell the difference from the 150 dollar ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Geeklawyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeklawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, on the other hand, think that he who dies with the most toys wins.

Possessing stuff is fun. Sure being spiritual and having love and friends are all necessary (more important even) but its the toys that add the fun. They aren't mutually exclusive: you can have lots of toys, and aspire to more of them, without being shallow; while having an artistic soul; while having social compassion. 

A hair shirt looks good but it kinda itches.

As for the 60's; Geeklawyer really is a bit of a hippy at heart, you know, drugs &#038; free love 'fight the man' chill-out etc, but the hippies were a tiny infinitesimal minority and the 60's zeitgeist wasn't really flowers &#038; Haight-Ashbury. The period was as much about greed/aspiration as any other era: corporate asset stripping, strip mining, property booms etc etc, for example all started then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, on the other hand, think that he who dies with the most toys wins.</p>
<p>Possessing stuff is fun. Sure being spiritual and having love and friends are all necessary (more important even) but its the toys that add the fun. They aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive: you can have lots of toys, and aspire to more of them, without being shallow; while having an artistic soul; while having social compassion. </p>
<p>A hair shirt looks good but it kinda itches.</p>
<p>As for the 60&#8217;s; Geeklawyer really is a bit of a hippy at heart, you know, drugs &#038; free love &#8216;fight the man&#8217; chill-out etc, but the hippies were a tiny infinitesimal minority and the 60&#8217;s zeitgeist wasn&#8217;t really flowers &#038; Haight-Ashbury. The period was as much about greed/aspiration as any other era: corporate asset stripping, strip mining, property booms etc etc, for example all started then.</p>
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		<title>By: Geeklawyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeklawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that's two things I'm good for; unlike you </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s two things I&#8217;m good for; unlike you</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Nice to know youre good for something.</description>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan: how very insightful. You've gone up 50 points and a gold star in my estimation already. Ruthie actually won a poetry competition many years ago and still pens the odd ode, but nothing that's good enough to be reproduced on here.

Ruthie recently spent the weekend at a houseparty with one of her old schoolfriends: it was a great eye opener. Ruthie seems to spend most of her life with middle aged men for reasons generally beyond her control so it was odd to suddenly be thrown back amongst her contemporaries.

After a weekend with them she was glad to get back to her middle aged men; she has never met a bunch of people who were so unhappy despite being very successful. Ruthie found the constant comparative discussion about cars/houses/size of wage packet/love life/academic qualifications utterly tedious. Thatcher did a good thing when she encouraged us to be aspirational. She didn't tell us how to know when we've made it, or warn us that all this stuff may not, of itself, make us happy. 

Ruthie cant help thinking that those who grew up in the 60's have a much healthier attitude about whats really important.

Anyway: back to Dan. At a certain point in ones professional life virtually everyone you meet is "rich", in the sense that no-one is struggling along on the breadline. The difference between driving a small car and a big one is far less in terms of the impact it has on the quality of your life than the difference between having no car and a car. But advertisers need to keep telling us we need this stuff and that we are some how inferior without it, otherwise why would we keep buying stuff we don't really need?

So it you're rich its easy to throw money around. Far harder to actually try and understand people. 

As for the Big Mac, yeah Ruthie has the occasional dirty habit. But generally only because she does lots of gym and craves the salt..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: how very insightful. You&#8217;ve gone up 50 points and a gold star in my estimation already. Ruthie actually won a poetry competition many years ago and still pens the odd ode, but nothing that&#8217;s good enough to be reproduced on here.</p>
<p>Ruthie recently spent the weekend at a houseparty with one of her old schoolfriends: it was a great eye opener. Ruthie seems to spend most of her life with middle aged men for reasons generally beyond her control so it was odd to suddenly be thrown back amongst her contemporaries.</p>
<p>After a weekend with them she was glad to get back to her middle aged men; she has never met a bunch of people who were so unhappy despite being very successful. Ruthie found the constant comparative discussion about cars/houses/size of wage packet/love life/academic qualifications utterly tedious. Thatcher did a good thing when she encouraged us to be aspirational. She didn&#8217;t tell us how to know when we&#8217;ve made it, or warn us that all this stuff may not, of itself, make us happy. </p>
<p>Ruthie cant help thinking that those who grew up in the 60&#8217;s have a much healthier attitude about whats really important.</p>
<p>Anyway: back to Dan. At a certain point in ones professional life virtually everyone you meet is &#8220;rich&#8221;, in the sense that no-one is struggling along on the breadline. The difference between driving a small car and a big one is far less in terms of the impact it has on the quality of your life than the difference between having no car and a car. But advertisers need to keep telling us we need this stuff and that we are some how inferior without it, otherwise why would we keep buying stuff we don&#8217;t really need?</p>
<p>So it you&#8217;re rich its easy to throw money around. Far harder to actually try and understand people. </p>
<p>As for the Big Mac, yeah Ruthie has the occasional dirty habit. But generally only because she does lots of gym and craves the salt..</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hull</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3734</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have more money than class or real education in life and, oddly, we eat, watch TV and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world on most fronts--and that's why Yanks, in my view, need both the French and the English as a good influence and counter-balance in the West.  Still, we are good and often great people.  And we work harder than anyone on Earth.  But without European culture and the old verities, many Americans, me included, will just run amok without thinking and make ourselves look sillier. So I'll just get Ruthie a leather-bound copy of Leaves of Grass, one American breakthrough in poetry.  And maybe a Big Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have more money than class or real education in life and, oddly, we eat, watch TV and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world on most fronts&#8211;and that&#8217;s why Yanks, in my view, need both the French and the English as a good influence and counter-balance in the West.  Still, we are good and often great people.  And we work harder than anyone on Earth.  But without European culture and the old verities, many Americans, me included, will just run amok without thinking and make ourselves look sillier. So I&#8217;ll just get Ruthie a leather-bound copy of Leaves of Grass, one American breakthrough in poetry.  And maybe a Big Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Geeklawyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.geeklawyer.org/2007/04/04/shy-american-lawyers-wha/#comment-3659</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeklawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Dan when she says expensive believe me she means it: Geeklawyer once bought her a Cartier watch and she returned it because it wasn't the most expensive model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dan when she says expensive believe me she means it: Geeklawyer once bought her a Cartier watch and she returned it because it wasn&#8217;t the most expensive model.</p>
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